Wiki.theppn:Community Portal/Archive 1

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Contents 1 More Categories 2 Interwiki from Wikimedia projects 3 Lyrics Sites? 4 Vandalism 4.1 Post Vandalism 4.1.1 Some of the vandalism has been because of copyright infringement 4.2 Vandalism from a range of IP addresses 5 MediaWiki upgrades 5.1 1.5 beta4 6 projecthello.com lyrics site is down again 7 Navigation Box 8 Amazon Links 9 T&C Bomber 10 Site wide css 11 Templates 12 Gravure 13 Spaaaam 14 Upcoming releases 15 New Licence 16 Suggestion! 17 Non-English characters in titles. 18 New pages

More Categories

Hey Folks, I was recently browsing some parts of the normal Wikipedia and then this one and was wondering if we could or if anyone would be intrested in helping me create certain categories. One idea i had i saw on the normal wikipedia was that on certain people they have as a category "____ births". Then also here i noticed that on some artists like Amuro Namie that it has a category saying Okinawan Artists (for some reason the link doesen't exist on here and yet it does on the Amuro page) and i was wondering we could do more categories like that for artists like Tokyo Artists, etc. I figured i'd just let people know of my idea here (if thats ok ^^;) and get some feedback i guess. -- Eimii 13:02, 22 December 2005 (JST)

Interwiki from Wikimedia projects

I added thePPN to the Wikimedia interwiki map. So you can link to articles in this wiki from articles in Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects by using [[thePPN:Goto Maki]]. --Pmsyyz 16:05, 6 November 2005 (JST)

Good idea, I had thought about doing that but never got around to it. --Womby

Hey, I've looked on the list but the dorama wiki isn't on there. Should we go about getting them on there so we can link pages until we make our own or should we just spend the time to create our own pages immediatly. --zeli 11:13, 6 May 2006 (JST)

I think we shouldn't rely on the Drama Wiki so much...it's understandable that we would have this kind of thing linking to the Wikipedia, but dramas are Japanese and therefore we should be able to create them on our own turf. (pardon i am not awake) ~ Wapiko 21:46, 6 May 2006 (JST)

Are we talking about the j-dorama wiki here? we have to be careful about cross site content they dont have their content published under an open license this means that if we make our own versions the page contains nothing fron j-dorama. --User:Womby(Talk)

Well, that's a given. It'd be like with the official Wikipedia articles. ~ Wapiko 00:54, 7 May 2006 (JST)

That's really difficult when you're just typing in facts. Are you talking about things like episode ratings (which I would never find ever) and summaries? --zeli 12:15, 7 May 2006 (JST)

Lyrics Sites?

Is anyone up for making a sort of wiki links list (I don't remember if it is possible with the software, I haven't monkeyed about with the wiki in a few months) or a category for various general web sites and lyrics web sites (that, say, don't cover any particular group or artist) for reference? I have a few sites (including my own) that I could put down. I think the same would be a good idea with shopping sites as well. --Idolcrash 06:41, 5 Apr 2005 (HKT)

You mean an article that might be named List of lyric websites or List of websites that sell Asian merchandise? --pmsyyz 23:19, 5 Apr 2005 (HKT)

More or less, but maybe with an even more concise name. --User:Idolcrash 05:01, 6 Apr 2005 (HKT)

Vandalism

That has really picked up a lot in the last couple days. Are there options in the Wiki software to lock certain pages like the Main one from anonymous edits? Wikipedia has that, but I think it also blocks registered users from editing, unless there is an option to create a list of authorized users. Forcing people to register before editing might also slow it down, although it punishes the anonymous folks who do good edits (like the 202.156 person who just added a bunch of good info to the hitomi page).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism

I don't know if it's possible with Wiki software but think a good way to handle it is to let anonymous people edit, but those edits get put on a pending list or flagged as pending on the recent changes before the actual page gets changed. Then anyone who is registered can approve or disapprove of the edit before it goes live. Seems like most of the vandals around here are anonymous (if you consider showing your IP address to everyone as anonymous. Seems like hanging your ass out that way to screw things up is actually more dangerous than registering a nick). --ilikejpop 00:05, 12 Mar 2005 (JST)

Something we can do for the main page is to make everything into templates with just a layout skeleton for the main page itself, then people can still edit the main page easily (once they know what they are doing) but drive by editors will be blocked. --Womby

Sounds like a plan. The main page should be at the top of the protection list for obvious reasons. I wonder how many people surfed in during the "poops" thing that appeared to be up for a good 6 hours, and were befuddled and/or just moved on. --ilikejpop 03:18, 13 Mar 2005 (JST)

Post Vandalism

some of the vandalism is making new pages filled with rubbish, it is rapidly blanked and a delete request placed in the edit summary. Perhaps we should create a category Category:Deletion Queue or something, so I can quickly see what pages need to go without paying careful attention to the edit list. --Womby

I think that's a good idea. --tiny 16:55, 7 Apr 2005 (HKT)

Created Template:delete based on Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Speedy deletions.

Some of the vandalism has been because of copyright infringement

I copied and modified the speedy deletions template to create an {{Infringement}} template.

--Womby

How about approval? Any change made by everyone will be approved first by admin before it is released!

That would be very bad the wiki requires very little attention from me, I check it every morning while I drink my Tea if I had to approve every change the rate of updates would drop like a rock and my workload would sky rocket. --Womby

Vandalism from a range of IP addresses

Recently a vandal (or vandals) have vandalized the wiki by spamming random pages with urls. What's new is that he (or they) is operating from a range of IP addresses. Should we consider banning a complete range of IP addresses? This might of course also block legitimate users, so I'm not sure if this is a good solution.

Another option is sending a complaint to the abuse e-mail address of the ISP of the vandal. The needed information can be found with the whois tool or on a whois website (e.g. http://www.arin.net/whois/)

--tiny 03:31, 20 Apr 2005 (HKT)

MediaWiki upgrades

1.5 beta4

A hard upgrade but cool new features make it worth it. --Womby 13:40, 29 August 2005 (JST)

A weird thing with watchlists I've noticed... I had 16 pages on my watchlist. When I used to click on "my watchlist" it showed changes on those 16 pages, plus changes to their respective Talk pages. After the upgrade, changes to Talk pages no longer appeared. I had to go back in and manually re-watch all of the individual Talk pages. Another weird thing is the way the pages are counted now. I'm now watching 16 pages and 14 Talk pages. My "Show and edit complete watchlist" page shows a total of 30 pages watched, but my "my watchlist" page shows exactly half that number: 15. It was even weirder when it was showing half numbers like 8.5. I know this isn't a biggie, but people might want to know that they might not have Talk pages on their watchlist any more. -- KenobiwanX 11:30, 5 September 2005 (JST)

projecthello.com lyrics site is down again

Something is wrong with http://www.projecthello.com/ again and none of it is in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. This breaks a lot of links from Hello! Project song articles. Let's hope it comes back up very soon! --pmsyyz 12:03, 28 Feb 2005 (JST)

Looks like it's back up. Maybe someone should try to mirror that one or save a lot of the content, just in case. --ilikejpop 11:48, 2 Mar 2005 (JST)

Perhaps submitting it to the wayback machine would be a good idea, it will take over 6 months to appear in the archive but hey its better than a poke in the eye. --Womby

Maybe I'll do a slow wget of it. --pmsyyz 19:36, 2 Mar 2005 (JST)

I don't want to just repost them here, Mink has worked hard on those translations directing traffic to her is the right thing to do, perhaps when my connection is sorted out we could work out something to try and help with the bandwidth. --Womby

I wasn't thinking of posting them here. I just wanted to have a copy in case they disappeared forever. --pmsyyz 20:00, 3 Mar 2005 (JST)

From what I know, she is planning to transfer it at some point somewhere else with higher bandwidth. If it's down, you can try Google Cache: search Google for "site:projecthello.com Artist Name" (without quotes). --Saa 2 Apr 2005

Navigation Box

Template:NavigationBox, Now extendable, what should we do with it? --Womby

Apparently by changing the navigation box like this you destroy the multi-language feature of the wikimedia skin, don't know if thats important for you or not.

I might be able to do something about that, but we would need other people to do the translations. --Womby

Amazon Links

Today I thought I saw an affiliate id inside an amazon link ( I didn't ) so I pulled my finger out and started looking at making an amazon template, and this is what I have.

{{ASIN|amazon.co.jp|4334901271|Hot Rika Ishikawa Photobook}}

which will create this,

Hot Rika Ishikawa Photobook

Initially I passed in just the ASIN code and created multiple amazon links, but though the code is globally unique (harry potter in japan has the same amazon code as harry potter in the UK) Most of the Japanese products are only visible on the JP store. A wrapper template could probably be created to expose Template:ASIN in a more generic fashion.

Speaking of Affiliate links, though I expect we have probably less than 1 product via these links does anybody know of a way to expose affiliate earnings, if there was a way to be very open about income generated from the site I would add an affiliate id to the ASIN template. --Womby

T&C Bomber

The romanisations of Taiyou seem to be all over the place, I am seeing redirects from Taiyou to Taiyo and page edits from Taiyo to Taiyou, perhaps I should look at the page histories but I am at work now and was only watching changes via my feed reader --Womby

Site wide css

Time to do the right thing and open up the css for extensions, MediaWiki:Monobook.css is now unprotected so all blocks that require a style="border:1px solid grey;color:blue;text-size:.80%;" can instead be defined with a class="smallblue" or something, eventually we should be able to do the same thing for all the other skins but hey baby steps at first yea. --Womby

Related to this, I was thinking about a proper frontpage design, we are almost at our first anniversary and should get around to bringing it up to scratch, I have a couple of ideas but am open to just about anything. --Womby

Templates

Added Template:Album_infobox, but it is broken (see Scratch or Stitch). Any ideas on fixing it? -Idolcrash

I fixed it; it was just some formatting inconsistencies (I compared it against Wikipedia's Ai no Dai 6 kan values). --Emeraldas 09:28, 5 November 2005 (JST)

Gravure

I move that we combine all of the gravure categories into one big gravure category. So...just gravure. K- and C-Gravure haven't been used yet and if they ever are, there probably won't be that many articles going into them. It seems a little redundant adding everyone in J-Gravure to regular gravure as well. ~ Wapiko 03:03, 10 November 2005 (JST)

Spaaaam

If you hadn't noticed by now, we're having a spam problem. You can help by marking spammed pages for deletion by erasing all of the content in the page and writing {{delete}} . ^^ Please check the history of the page first and make sure it wasn't a real page before you do this.

Also....the Wikipedia had to implement a new rule that in order to create a new page you must have an account. Even though they did it for a different reason, maybe we should do the same? @_@ ~ Wapiko 11:46, 12 December 2005 (JST)

Yeah, I've been doing that. I kinda stopped when you came though, since you can actually delete the pages. ^^ --SPL 11:50, 12 December 2005 (JST)

Thanks for the help. :) Do continue to mark them as {{delete}}, though. This way, the spam gets less exposure, and also, it's a lot easier for us to delete it right away if the content is delete. Otherwise we have to click edit and scroll down to verify the spam. It doesn't seem like that much of an extra thing to do, but every little bit helps. --Saa 12:25, 12 December 2005 (JST)

Oh, ok. ^^ Sure. --SPL 12:39, 12 December 2005 (JST)

I don't really like that idea. There was an anonymous (sp?) user that came along a few days ago and created pages for a few Aikawa Nanase albums; I can't think of any more specific examples but I know there have been some that have really contributed a lot. --SPL 11:50, 12 December 2005 (JST)

I have blocked all anon edits, this is temporary while we clean the system, if I can work out how to mirror the new wikipedia policy I will look at that too. --Womby (no decisions on policy changes without discussion though)

Womby, does Mediawiki have word filters? That way we can block whatever it is they're advertising. --Saa 12:25, 12 December 2005 (JST)

Blocking anon edits should be a last resort, I agree. Any other ideas on fighting the spam, though? They're using multiple IPs now, so blocking them isn't going to help much. They're hitting a lot of pages, so protecting 40+ pages isn't really viable.

Also, I'm a member at another wiki where registration is required to make edits, and spammers still sign up and spam. Blocking anon edits doesn't stop them completely, but it should be easier to control. --Saa 12:25, 12 December 2005 (JST)

Some interesting reading for anyone interested:
MetaWikiPedia:Wiki Spam
MetaWikiPedia:Anti-spam Features
MetaWikiPedia:Talk:Anti-spam Features
The Anti-WikiSpam Wiki
I haven't read all of it myself yet, but it's relevant. --Saa 12:37, 12 December 2005 (JST)

I have enabled the open proxy blocking functions which should prevent some of the multiple disperate IP spam from getting through, I will re-enable anon edits tomorrow and we can see how things work with that, it would appear that the "anon can only edit not create" features do not yet exist. --Womby

Any updates? I was about to edit the front page (where it says Registration is currently not required to contribute), but I figured I'd ask you about it first, if you forgot to turn the registration requirement off or if you went ahead and made it permanent. --Saa 07:41, 24 December 2005 (JST)

Upcoming releases

What's our policy on making a page for releases BEFORE they've been given titles? ~ Wapiko 03:04, 26 January 2006 (JST)

We should not make them until the title is confirmed by the artist or record company (or perhaps a very reputable source). Until then it's more than enough to just write it on the artist's page and leave it unlinked. If we don't know the title, then we most likely won't know enough information about it to write a new page for it. --Saa 03:40, 26 January 2006 (JST)

That's what I thought. =) ~ Wapiko 04:05, 26 January 2006 (JST)

New Licence

Wiki.ThePPN has been licensed under the by-sa/2.0 licence since its inception, this licence means that the content on the wiki can be used for any purpose so long as the resultant content is still licensed under by-sa/2.0. Creative Commons have had by-sa/2.5 published for around a year now and I have resisted changing our licence because it requires acceptance by everybody who ever published anything on the wiki. Today I decided to actually look and see what the differences were between the two and to my delight the changes are trivial, so I have decided to start asking for comments. Does anybody think we should stick with 2.0? Does anybody think there is a problem moving to 2.5? Am I leaking brain matter out of my ears? --User:Womby(Talk) 14:32, 7 April 2006 (JST)

Can you translate the changes into English?
Do you see any circumstances where you'd designate another party for attribution? --Saa 20:27, 8 April 2006 (JST)

It appears to just be clarifying who should be attributed, I cannot think of a reason to designate a 3rd party for this wiki but perhaps a book author would wish to credit his publisher. The benefits for us in moving to the latest version of the License is not for the protections it offers but the possibility that in the future we might want to mix in some content from another source licensed under by-sa/2.5 --User:Womby(Talk)

Suggestion!

I know we're growing steadily on our own, but compared to old days it seems the amount of new material is dwindling as we continuously edit the same pages over and over seeking perfection and updating... A girl over on lj offered me a suggestion which I thought was fairly decent: That we create a "community" of sorts where people who browse the wiki but are wiki-illiterate (which seems to be the problem most people have with contributing... their fear of wiki script) can suggest what bands/groups/artists we should add or information for filling in profiles. I was kinda surprised to find that people other than ourselves actually use this place as a source (sorry guys xD;) and I thought that might get some things started. I'm aware this would also set us up for a lot of spam (I had to type that five times because I kept typing SMAP -_-) so maybe at least a "suggested articles" page where people could just suggest things? I know ideally this would take place on the DAMN forum but I think it would be easier on Livejournal or a blog protocol simply because of the amount of users. Any opinions? --zeli

Right now our unique IP count per day is clearing 9.000 (A lot of those are from hotlinked images) our hits according to google analytics is closer to 6,500 on pages, almost 40% of our visitors come from google and half of them look at just 2 pages. Our page per visitor count is quite high though so as users start to book mark the site the stats appear to grow quite regularly. If you change the recent changes limit to 500 changes you see just over 2 days changes, and by scrolling and counting the Ns I see that today new 30 articles were posted and yesterday 16, a lot of those were for albums but there were also a lot of new artist pages made.

Saying all that, I think that your suggestion is a good one, and in the tradition of being a lazy bugger ... wanna be the boss of it? --User:Womby(Talk) (Scratch that, more like 7,500 visitors per day and 55% from google, See Chart)

That is a snazzy chart. :) I think I could have a functioning LJ community with a few members up and running by the end of the week seeing as my connections are pretty.... connected but anything beyond LJ would be kinda like making a monkey do backflips as I know next to nothing about message boards and lack appropriate server space. I don't think the community would grow that much even well advertised (and of course, advertising the community would bring more hits here as people went ZOMGWEHAVEAWIKI???) but I'd have to just do it to see. So I'll get started on that and maybe keep a running page of requests and added info here and we'll see where it goes. --zeli

Here ya go! Add it somewhere to the front page I suppose? I'll keep pusing it and see what happens... and I suppose create a nice Requested Pages type list for here as we already have some requests. o_o --zeli

Non-English characters in titles.

I've noticed things like ☆ in titles like CRA"G"Y☆MAMA, and I just wanted to know if these are ok to have in titles. This wiki doesn't allow Japanese characters in titles, but the only way to type the star is if you have the Japanese fonts installed and everything. I know this is a bit different, since it's not like you can't understand it or anything, but it makes it hard to get to some pages. What's the deal with those? Are they still ok? --Sky 10:00, 5 May 2006 (JST)

No, not ok in release page titles. Ok in Artist page titles. --Saa 18:34, 5 May 2006 (JST)

Ah, ok. I don't quite like having them in artist page titles either, because for people that don't have the right fonts installed, it still requires a copy-paste just to get to the page, but whatever...I'll try to go through the release pages that I've seen with those characters in it. --Sky 22:34, 5 May 2006 (JST)

Examples? For an artist page, make a redirect without the non-English characters, then there shouldn't be any problems. --Saa 07:14, 6 May 2006 (JST)

I can see why we don't want kanjis in artist page titles, but I was just told I shouldn't even make REDIRECTS to artist pages in kanji. Is this seriously PPN policy? The reason I add them is usually because I tried to get to the page with a copy/paste of kanjis, but there wasn't already a redirect. I believe others also should have use of the kanji redirects. Sometimes you sit there with the kanji name of the artist, and you're not sure how their name is pronounced. Can I keep making these kanji redirects? Ornilnas 09:05, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

New pages

As you may have noticed, the Wiki is currently experiencing some technical difficulties accessing and creating new pages. Please do not make a new page more than once. If you are concerned about your work being sucked into a black hole after clicking "Save Page", save it into a text file first. I'll notify everybody again when this matter is resolved. ~ Wapiko 09:36, 24 May 2006 (JST)

It's also coming up with a database error when you save an existing page, yet the save still goes through. There's no need (that I've seen) to go back and re-save an edit. --zeli 10:16, 24 May 2006 (JST)

I've noticed that when users are creating a new page, it shows up twice in recent changes, yet doesn't register at all- when you click on it, it says 'There is currently no text in this page', and all links to it still show up as red. Is that what you were talking about, or...? --Sky 10:41, 24 May 2006 (JST)

Zeli - Yep, that's one problem.

Sky - That's exactly what I'm talking about. It is not showing up twice in recent changes. If it is, it's most likely because the user didn't think the creation went through the first time. Hence, the need for this message. ~ Wapiko 11:19, 24 May 2006 (JST)

Ah, ok. It's just that most of the new pages have appeared twice, and I wasn't sure if people were just resending them or it was doing that on its own. ^^;;; --Sky 12:09, 24 May 2006 (JST)

Aaah, that's what the problem is. --Martzb00r 12:15, 24 May 2006 (JST)

The problem appears to have been fixed. However, it seems that new pages created during this time were not saved. ~ Wapiko 03:01, 25 May 2006 (JST)

Now that that is fixed...Is there someting wrong with the file upload? cause I can't seem to upload anything. This keeps showing up:

 The file you uploaded seems to be empty. 
 This might be due to a typo in the file name.
 Please check whether you really want to upload this file.

I tried everything. changing the file name, changing the file location... I gave up eventually. --gus 10:02, 25 May 2006 (JST)

Am looking into it now, rest assured. :D ~ Wapiko 10:51, 25 May 2006 (JST)

I got that problem around five months ago, but I moved to a different computer and it worked fine... It worked for me last night, I'll try it from here now. --zeli 11:03, 25 May 2006 (JST)

Yep, not working. xD; --zeli 11:05, 25 May 2006 (JST)

Fixed, sorry I have not been around much, work has been seriously impeding on my relaxation time. --User:Womby(Talk)