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SAKURA Drops

Hmm, I just noticed you changed Utada's SAKURA Drops page to Sakura Drops. As much as I hate it, the official site spells the Sakura in capitals x.X Besides, you only changed the title, and didn't change any of the other references where I'd spelt it with capitals.

I know, I was just experimenting for style purposes, I am starting to wonder if we are going a bit crazy with the page titles reflecting exactly the CD covers capitalisation I didnt want to jump in and change the contents of the page too much otherwise changing back would require more effort too.
Its time to build style guides, as I REALY dont like pages with ~ in the titles --Womby
dream has an album called 777 -Best of dreams- and an album called 777 -another side story-. If page names shouldn't contain subtitles, should links point to a disambiguation page named "777" containing links to pages named "Best of Dreams" and "Another Side Story"? I know the Jam Punch Tour example combined the two pages in conflict, but those both related to a single tour, and it seems like separate albums should have separate pages. Also possibly worth noting: all-number searches (like "777") don't seem to return results (will they even work with the go button?). -I Love Yu
Whoa, you're right. O_o;;; I never tried searching for only numbers before. --StarPrincessLita 08:58, 26 October 2005 (JST)
Number searches work. Try searching for 1999, as well as hitting Go instead of just searching for it.
777 doesn't return any hits not because it's a number, but because it's 3 characters. Even searches for letters that are 3 characters or less return nothing.
Examples of existing 3-characters-or-less pages: Aki, 326, C7. (Try playing around with searching for them/hitting the Go button.)
However, Go does work for these 3-characters-or-less pages. Hitting the Enter button at the search box defaults to Go, so it's worth it to make it even if it won't turn up in searches. --Saa
Pages shouldn't contain subtitles, but in this case you'd need to differentiate between the two. I assume people differentiate by the subtitles of those two partocular albums, so it's ok to create pages that have those subtitles in them.
To put it another way, a disambiguation page would link to 777 (Best of dreams) and 777 (another side story). Since they have to be made, might as well go the whole way and use 777 -Best of Dreams- and 777 -Another Side Story-. Make a disambiguation page at 777, also (in case people type 777 into the box and hit Enter or Go), but link directly to the albums and never to 777. --Saa 10:41, 26 October 2005 (JST)
Thanks for that, I had written exactly the same thing but got called away to a meeting just as I finished --Womby

What's wrong with CAPS?

I see you're kind of just randomly un-capitalizing article titles, like moving Chokotto LOVE to Chokotto Love. Is there any real reason to do this? (I can think of quite a few reasons not to...) I mean, the only place you should find caps is where there is capitalized Roman text in the original Japanese name. Why change it? And why, for that matter, lose punctuation like ~? The wiki software seems to be able to handle the article titles just fine as is. Why not just create a redirect from the uncapitalized title in case someone decides not to capitalize a link? -- KenobiwanX 03:05, 12 September 2005 (JST)

Womby addressed the ~ issue in the Style Guide. --Emeraldas 03:46, 12 September 2005 (JST)
Yep, I am not randomly doing it, I started with capped pages I could see on Special:Popularpages then focused on fixing all the Otsuka Ai pages, that kind of burnt me out a bit, now I am picking up pages as I see them, which typically is after they get edited and appear in my feed reader. I need to go through and fix all the links to the Chokotto Love page. --Womby
I guess that still doesn't answer the question of why. It seems like a lot of wasted effort. I mean, I can understand not wanting to see katakana words arbitrarily capitalized, because that can end up looking horrible. But when words that appear capitalized in the original titles are uncapitalized for the sake of who-knows-what... I don't know... -- KenobiwanX 08:56, 12 September 2005 (JST)
The titles on a product are written in a purely arbitrary way, the producer / label / cover designer got together and said "yea that looks good", The titles on this wiki are then following the decisions made by some crazy graphic designer who can't write an English word without looking it up an a dictionary. Then when a user comes to this wiki and types in "jam punch tour 2005" and hits the go button they got nothing, to link to the jam punch page from another site required the url http://wiki.theppn.org/JAM_PUNCH_TOUR_2005_%7EKONDORU_no_PANTSU_ga_kui_KONDORU%7E so I changed it, now a link requires http://wiki.theppn.org/Jam_Punch_Tour_2005. Of course you can then say "yea but we should make the titles match the CDs exactly and do everything else with redirect pages". The wasted effort is having to create pages and half a dozen redirects to make the go link work when somebody human performs the search as opposed to making the go link fail by default and then making redirects for common variations. If we created the condor knickers are in my bum DVD page as just Jam_Punch_Tour_2005 originally we would not even have the redirect page because nobody in their right mind would type "JAM PUNCH TOUR 2005 ~KONDORU no PANTSU ga kui KONDORU~" into the search field.
So in short, titling the pages properly and redirecting on common variations requires less redirects than using stupid titling and redirecting on common variations.
And the style guide lists how we should do this sensible titling so their should be no confusion, nobody needs to decide if we should change Kondoru to condor because the subtitle would not be in the title, while deciding between DOROPPUSU and drops is trivial because the guide makes the decision very obvious. --Womby

Capitalisation

I hate to break it to you, but you're capitalising wrong yourself. A title 'Should Be Like This', with all words having their first letter capitalised except for a few (like a, it and is). A title 'Should not be like this' because if you labelled something like that in English your teacher would slap you. If you're going to go on a holy proper English crusade, you'd better use correct English while doing so ^^ --Martzb00r

I've been using the Wikipedia style guidelines for heading capitalization. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings) and Wikipedia:Manual of style#Headings --Pmsyyz 14:53, 21 September 2005 (JST)
Capitalize the first letter only of the first word and of any proper nouns in a heading, and leave all of the other letters in lower case.
Good thing its not a proper English crusade then, Just an I am bored of really bad titles. --Womby
But if you are talking about actual article titles, I think they should be as close to the offical as possible. Womby, Folk days instead of FOLK DAYS? What have you been smoking? :P --Pmsyyz 15:01, 21 September 2005 (JST)
I couldn't even identify a Noun if it bit me on the arse, I just scrolled through my feed reader and rewrote everything that had caps, I wasn't really bothered if it was correct or not so long as it wasn't all in caps. --Womby
I think Martzb00r had most of those in the right case, if you go by offical discographies. Do you care of we revert them? --Pmsyyz 15:08, 21 September 2005 (JST)
Yes, because the discography's are written by graphic designers and people who can only read English words if they have katakana above them. --Womby
Hikki writes all her titles personally, and she can definately read English. I remember reading that somewhere. --Martzb00r
I am sure the people who wrote this track list were fluent in English, but should we also follow them blindly over a typography cliff?

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The page titles have to be sensible, right now I need to go through the database and manually remove Made in Korea? because it doesn't work as a URL. There is a practical issues caused not specifically by caps but by blindly following the stylistic choices made by people whose limitation is "does it look good on the cover". --Womby (notice that the made in korea link actually returns a page not the first time a duplicate page was inserted into the DB by a user who didn't notice.)
Yeh, sorry to bring this to light again, just want to say how amused I am you used my argument for this (and w00t my Rush Hour 2 cd <333) ~ Wapiko 13:35, 7 November 2005 (JST)

I tried to move the 'COLORS' page, but...

...it said that there was already a page at 'Colors', so I took a look, and it's basically the same thing, but a candidate for speedy deletion. So...not quite sure what I should do about that. --StarPrincessLita 15:09, 25 September 2005 (JST)

I will have a look at that. --Womby
The page on COLORS has more up to date and detailed information. Someone PLEASE tell me what that point of the war on caps is? It seems...time consuming and pointless o_O --Martzb00r
I agree with with Martzb00r, when an artists official discography does not use all caps everywhere, but use all caps for certain singles, then the official single name is all caps. COLORS is one example. --Pmsyyz 18:30, 25 September 2005 (JST)
Of course its time consuming and pointless, if you consider easier urls, a working go button and less redirects to be pointless. I am trying to keep the artists capitalisation inside pages, but urls should be basic and clean, mediawiki has no separation between page slugs and titles so clean caps are a compromise apparently a far more controversial compromise than the complete lack of commentary on the style guide lead me to believe. --Womby

Question marks in article titles

What's the deal with these? The ones that have a question mark at the end just redirect to the article without the question mark, so should we bother putting the question mark there in the first place? --Saa 23:35, 26 September 2005 (JST)

I have seen the boa cd that was added with a questionmark, I have been meaning to go through and remove the dud page. Mediawiki doesnt stop users from attempting to create pages with question marks but apache doesn't allow them through. --Womby
Yeah, I remembered there was a problem with one of the articles with a question mark, but I wasn't sure exactly what it was or if I was remembering it correctly. So articles with question marks are fine, as long as there isn't a dud page there already? --Saa
No we should only create pages without question marks in their titles, the webserver will never return a page properly if it has the questionmark in the title, it is used to signify the end of the page and the start of the options ( like ?action=edit ) --Womby

Calendar

I was wondering, would it be possible to set up a calendar on the wiki, and you would be able to enter a celebrity's birthday on it? There could even be a birthday notice thingermy at the main page (like..saying, "Today (28th of September) is melody. and 4 H!P member's that you've never heard of's birthdays!" Its not really but whatever) I think wikipedia has a similar thing, but that is more to do with events that happened on that day ^^ --Martzb00r

Sounds like a good idea, It would probably be best to do something like that using the variable templates like the featured article for XXX templates, that way info could be prepared in advance and the front-page would automatically update. Dont forget about the Mediawiki:Monobook.css page which will allow you to create any css tags should you need them. If I can help in some way just ask. --Womby

HQ Images

You say you want HQ images for the wiki. What about uber high quality? Like say..400kb ones? Currently I aim for the previous 100kb limit if I scan something, but should I be setting the images at a higher resulation? Like...what would an ideal image size be? --Martzb00r

as far as I am concerned the bigger the better, of course 1000 dpi would be insane --Womby
Would the image I just uploaded (The cover for Ayu's & single) be too big? It's 1000x980, 753 KB. --StarPrincessLita 10:15, 6 October 2005 (JST)
Hell no, more of the same --Womby
Can do. xD I just got permission from the original scanner to upload all of her cover scans. She uploads a ton at Jpopsuki...and all of her uploads include very-HQ cover scans, and sometimes booklet scans too. (OMG, I just checked, and she just uploaded melody.'s latest single. <3) I looked at the stats page a few minutes ago, and she's uploaded 238 torrents. (Not all are singles/albums...she's uploaded a few PVs too.) I haven't downloaded all of them, since I'm not really into some of the artists she regularly uploads, but...<3 A list of all her torrents. --StarPrincessLita 11:59, 6 October 2005 (JST)
That is what makes a community and it makes me happy. --Womby
^_^
I actually have a few singles/albums that I'd scan myself, if not for the fact that I don't have a scanner. o.< When I uploaded a few things on Jpopsuki, I took pictures with my mom's digital camera, but you can see my reflection in most of them. xD --StarPrincessLita 12:36, 6 October 2005 (JST)
Just remember to wear clothes when you do that or it could get embarrassing. --Womby
O_o --StarPrincessLita 12:53, 6 October 2005 (JST)
LOL --Womby
That happened to me with the Devil Inside (promo) XD You can see my camera, but I didn't realise until later. Oh, if you don't have a scanner send them to me and I'll scan them for you XDDD I'd also rip the audio from them before sending them back but ehh. --Martzb00r

Yesasia Associate

^Link^ If you change the yesasia links on the website to yesasia associate ones, you earn 12% in associate fees. You could use that to pay some server fees (I think) or buy Asian music peroducts for information to add here ^^ Or your own fiendish desires or whatnot. --Martzb00r

I had been wondering if it would be worth the hassle to do that, of course the last time I looked at yesasia the affiliate program only gave store credit. --Womby
I checked today and you can get either store credit, deposits into paypal or cheques. Woo xD --Martzb00r
Very interesting, and of course using the cool template functions we can auto append it to all the store links instantly. I don't want to jump on it too hastily though running ads on the tracker got me enough flack for a lifetime and they only just covered the cost shortfall from donations. --Womby

The C word dun dun dun

I say we all compromise with CAPS. Random people are gonig to add the official caps to the pages anyway, and the wiki whould be tailored for the average bystander ^^ I say we have links like [[Colors (song)|COLORS]] this. That way both arguments are won, as you can search for the page too ^^

Oh, and I got a warning that 'OMG THE TALK PAGE IS TOO BIG' so you might wanna cut some of the old stuff ^^--Martzb00r

That's what I've been doing. When I change the caps, I set all links that link there to say, eh just for an example [[Love Machine|LOVE Machine]]. I like to keep the original caps, and I can still go to the artist page to see the original caps of a single/album title. --StarPrincessLita 21:44, 8 October 2005 (JST)
When I first started I was just doing a find / replace over the article text and didn't leave the originals behind (Otsuka Ai for example) but soon after I realised we should be maintaining the listings internal to the page, so I switched over to what you are describing here, the Tommy February all use her insane capitalisation's internally but link out correctly. It was around that time SPL joined in and changed far more pages than I ever could, if she was copying my lead or not with internal caps I don't know but she did it right. --Womby
Yeah, her capitals are just like...O_o;;;;
^_^ thanks. I kinda disappeared for a few days, because my internet was totally messed up...I was still connected to the internet, but I couldn't actually get on any web pages...O_o;;;; --StarPrincessLita 08:36, 9 October 2005 (JST)
Sorry about dream world. Just so I'm sure I understand, though, should I interpret your revert to mean that it's not just all-uppercase words in page names that should be changed to title case, it's also words that are officially kept in lowercase (except for particles and words like "in")? Should I move My will, for example, to My Will? Thought I should be certain before I started any sweeping changes... -I Love Yu
I didn't realise I had clicked the revert link, I had meant to just edit the dream world link itself, sorry. Yes all the titles should be modified not just insane or all caps ones. --Womby
Thanks, got it (I think). One other question about caps changes, though: Are group names (like dream, SweetS and PARADISE GO!! GO!!) exempt? I also have a small question about subtitles, but I'm moving it to the thread at the top of the page (where ~s are mentioned). Hope that's okay, since it's only a slightly better fit there. -I Love Yu
(Note to I Love Yu: did you mean to delete what you wrote above? You wrote it, then deleted it in the next revision you did. It gets deleted accidentally if you click Edit on two different sections and work on them at the same time- the first edit you make gets deleted when you save the second.)
To answer your question, yes, group names are exempt. See Wiki.theppn:Style Guide, though it's not stated clearly there... --Saa 10:28, 26 October 2005 (JST)
In answer to Saa's note: No, I didn't mean to delete my comment; it's one of the many bone-headed mistakes I've made today. Thanks for restoring -- and answering -- it! -I Love Yu

I'm getting an error when I try to upload a file...?

Ok, so I've been uploading some Ayu cover scans. I'm going down her discography, uploading what I have, oldest to newest. So I got to To Be, and I went to upload the cover scan I have. I hit upload and everything, then after waiting for about two minutes, it takes me back to the upload screen saying "The file you uploaded seems to be empty. This might be due to a typo in the file name. Please check whether you really want to upload this file." I know it's there- I can go to it on my computer; and I know it's the right file name, because I used the 'browse' thingy to get to it. Could it be too big? It's 2.40 MB... --StarPrincessLita 10:20, 13 October 2005 (JST)

yea 2 megs is over the upload limit. --Womby
Damn...I'll go fix the image then... --StarPrincessLita 22:37, 13 October 2005 (JST)
O_o All I did was resave it and it shrunk to 367 KB. *goes to upload it* --StarPrincessLita 22:40, 13 October 2005 (JST)
good luck --Womby
For future reference, what's the upload limit? --Saa
2 megs, it can be changed but unless we are going to upload full mp3s I dont see why we should --Womby
Nah, that's fine. I misread what you said- I thought you said that the file she wanted to upload was 2MB, and that was over some unmentioned limit between a few hundred KBs and 2MB. --Saa
I suppose I misread that too... --StarPrincessLita 08:49, 14 October 2005 (JST)

Wikipedia-style Photo Thingymy

You said that the notice about small resolution covers that we don't have to do it because we're not in the US. I'm just curious...howcome? Like, is wiki.theppn on a Japanese server or something...so differnet laws apply? I'm just curious, thats all ^^ --Martzb00r

It is running on a computer in my apartment in Japan, Japanese copyright restrictions are so ridiculous that it could be illegal to even list the products without authorisation let alone the images. --Womby
Whoa. O_o;;; Seriously? --StarPrincessLita 11:17, 14 October 2005 (JST)
Interesting xD Something to do with the laws not being regulated, then? I know that here in NZ, there was a debate a few years ago to legalise copying CD's for personal use because everone did it and it was never being regulated. Too bad they decided to keep it illegal just because of the principle. I've heard that Japanese record companies are a bit slack with copyrighting and such (like I think it's either Avex or Toshiba EMI that doesn't put any copy control software at all on their CD's) --Martzb00r
Meh, Avex CDs (at least the ones that I have) say that they're copy control CDs, and that you can't rip them, but most of them work just fine when I try to rip them in iTunes. xD (I say 'most' because I just got the Best of Inu Yasha II soundtrack, and iTunes doesn't even recognize it. o.<) --StarPrincessLita 11:23, 14 October 2005 (JST)
This week a Japanese court ruled that publications held the copyright over their article / news titles, this means that in Japan only one publication can run with "Apple Releases iPod Video", wont that come back to bite the newspapers on the arse once real news / scoop blogs make headway in Japan. --Womby
O_o;;;;;;
xD --StarPrincessLita 11:33, 14 October 2005 (JST)
Womby said Japanese photo copyrights are ridiculous and he is correct - have you ever been to a Japanese fansite for anything? You'll be lucky if you find some bad oekaki of the subject, let alone actual 50x50 images at best. If you look at the Japanese wikipedia it's the same. -_-; ~ Wapiko 02:19, 26 October 2005 (JST)
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