User talk:Pmsyyz

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Artist heights

Have you noticed 210.143.16.40 editing lots of artists bio's, adding a cm to their heights? is this just a mass correction or vandalism. --Womby 15:29, 7 Apr 2005 (HKT)

I assumed the addition of one or two cm to be corrections. I'll do some comparison with official sources and double check. --pmsyyz 15:45, 7 Apr 2005 (HKT)

Purchase links

Zutto Suki De Ii Desu Ka - What do you think of this format for purchase links? -- Pmsyyz

Ooh, I like it. Some of the text might be redundant though. "Purchase links" under "External links" looks kind of funny. It's already assumed everything under the main "External link" header are... external links :P I'd cut out the "Buy the" text as well. That also looks doubled up. The Purchase (links) sub-header shows that anything under it are online shop links, especially since they say cdjapan, amazon, etc. "Purchase" is about the same as "buy". How about changing the "purchase links" sub-header to something like "purchase online" or "buy online"? That, along with cutting the "buy the" text on the lines under it would kill two birds with one stone. You could then start the line with Limited Edition: store links, Regular Edition: store links, DVD: store links instead of "Buy the Limited Edtion at: store links", "Buy the Regular edition at: store links", "Buy the..." etc etc. On the flipside, for releases that don't need multiple lines for special editions, limited editions, DVDs and whatnots, the Purchase (or Buy) online sub-header, along with just the row of store links under it would probably be sufficient.

Anyway, I'm all for better store links on the Wiki. Helps support the artists and might even bring in some more hits to the Wiki from people just searching where to buy things. I experimented with a similar expanded format on the other day on the LOVE JAM page. Either way, I think a sub-header under the external link header is the best way to go. Much more organized and better than the generic looking "Buy it @ storename.com" links. --ilikejpop 09:29, 27 Mar 2005 (JST)

I like it too, much better than the possibly naughty torrent links ^_^, media wiki has built in support for buy links using the products sku codes I wonder if we can configure that for yesasia too, better to have a "buy this" link that searches many stores transparently. --Womby
 :o Now that would rock. It would also save a lot of time. --ilikejpop

Morning Musume tv shows info

Musume Document is on TV Tokyo. This site is useful for program listings. http://www.aesthetic-sense.com/~movie-master/10TV/200502.htm

~Dan~

Interesting bits about MM tv appearances and other news can be found here: http://hotmilk.jp/

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Thanks

Just wanted to say I have been watching what you guys have been doing with the wiki pages and that I am very impressed. --Womby

Groups of images in divs

just so you know (less work for you), it is not nessecery to place groups of images into a div any more, if you put multiple images tags in one block wikipedia will automatically place them in a floated div. Just one of the new features with MW1.4 --Womby

Show me an example, please. I can't seem to find any info on what you are referring to at Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. Or do you mean: 

[[Image:image3.jpg|thumb|text]]
[[Image:image3.jpg|thumb|text]]
[[Image:image3.jpg|thumb|text]]

I know that works, but seemingly only in the default skin. The same problem we had at Talk:Watarasebashi. Does it work in all skins now? --pmsyyz 08:38, 24 Apr 2005 (HKT)

The final 1.4 release is supposed to have all the skins supporting all the features, I should get around to bringing the wiki here inline. --Womby

Traveling song

That...looks so horrible and crowded and messy and.....o___________O!!! If I made something like that in typing I would FAIL. It's just...no! Since I'm the one making these song pages, and my standard method is perfectly okey, why not use that one? (Unless you want to do like a zillion song pages like I've done). There's a difference between the song and the single, a BIG difference. --Martzb00r

You mean you meant for those to be two different pages? I thought people had just created two different pages by mistake since they had a lot of the same information. I would disagree however that there is enough of a difference between a song and the single release of that song for there to be two different articles. Even hugely culturally significant songs such as Hey Jude and Yesterday have articles that combine info on both the single release and the song, which only makes sense single release info isn't very long. Why split the info up?
And yeah, the merged "traveling" article isn't the prettiest, but feel free to start fixing it. --Pmsyyz 14:08, 15 November 2005 (JST)
The internet is not print, if you submitted a press layout for a web design course you would also fail, yes the merged page has a number of issues, it is too long (and the thumbnails mess with my settings), but honestly did the Single page have enough information to justify its independent existence? I think Pmsyyz was right to merge the pages, he could have done a better job but this is a wiki he doesn't need to make each edit perfect. --Womby


The single page had the info about the single on it, and the song page has the info on the song on it ^^ It's just that all the songs on the single happen to be the same song. There should really be a concensus on the style of single pages, and a concensus on the style of song pages (or near enough...have at least the same general style). When you merge them it's just...too messy xD Some information really doesn't belong on the single page (like remixes and lives and such), they are more suited for a separate song page. It justs seems..inconsistant to me ^^ --Martzb00r
It's too confusing for people to have them separate, though. People equate the song with the single, so having the information separated across two pages is sort of unnecessary. --Saa 15:05, 15 November 2005 (JST)
It's too confusing to have the together, IMO. I mean, I tried sticking Hikari and Simple and Clean on the same page, but it was just a mess. I still think that me putting Distance and FINAL DISTANCE on the same page looks messy, but I couldn't see a way around that. Adding all the single information too? Pure horror.
I don't see how having them separate can be confusing. I mean, theres a link to the song right there. If I'd never been to wiki.theppn before and saw that, I'd think that was pretty simple and obvious ^^ --Martzb00r 15:39, 15 November 2005 (JST)
The Single page for Travelling contained a description and a track listing, what else? The consensus that came out of the style discussions was that if there was enough information to justify multiple pages then there should be multiple pages, the Single page for Travelling was beyond useless in comparison to the song page. If the layout is confusing then we need to think about fixing it, if layout is the only reason for separating the pages perhaps we could also make a Travelling (Lyrics) I find the long table annoying. --Womby
Funny, I think the lyrics without tables very annoying xD Making a page for the lyrics seems a bit silly in itself, because this whole thing was about merging info. If you need more information to justify the existance of the Traveling single page, I'll find it. I just didn't think it was immediately important to find it. Good enough? --Martzb00r
I don't like the massive table borders, it looks so amateur (when did amateur become a bad word everybody in the Olympics is amateur?). --Womby
Is it even necessary to have the lyrics on the page? Can't they just be linked? If they're taken from an existing site or forum or whatever, they're already linked for the purposes of giving them credit. If you're the one typing up the lyrics, why not make a site somewhere and link them? --Saa 12:04, 16 November 2005 (JST)
Is anything necessary, really? Is there a point to compiling a wiki on asian popculture? Probably not, but oh well, we all seem to be here. I remember there was this whole big thing where one of the Hello! Project lyrics sites went down and all this info got lost. This way, the lyrics won't ever get lost ^^ I make additions to the translations so they flow better, have a clearer meaning, and fix a few mistakes/typos too. By the way, I haven't seen a complete Hikki lyrics/translation site yet. You have to go all over the internet to find them, and they're all in pieces (which reminds me, the site might go down or something as well). Theres a few lyrics links, like the Passion one that has no site for it to point to, since they were from a post in forums.
With the table...do you propose a better way? Something that looks good and has two columns, for the lyrics and translation. Even just changing the colours might do some good to the design (I can never work out how to use tables..I've used that one template for all the song pages I made) Tell me if you come up with something ^^ --Martzb00r
What is this discussion about? what are we doing?
Pmsyyz merged a page, one to small to justify keeping, with its larger partner, if the pages had originally been titled "travelling" and "travelling (track listing)" would we even be having this discussion?
Your aggressive, don't change my styles, comments lead us to point out problems with your chosen format, does this mean we don't appreciate the work you have done? No, it means we are saying "hold up tiger, lets not get carried away".
SAA brings up a good point about lyrics, if we can't make the lyrics a part of the page in a sensible way, should they be on the page? I think they should, for all the reasons you said, but does that mean its the right decision?.
I have no idea AT ALL about how to make decent wiki tables, the {{ || stuff="bob" || monkey | wow | piss || }} just makes no sense to me, I had to copy the existing oricon chart tables to make the chart template, but look at the Nakanomori Band table to see how well collaboration can work. You have made a lot of single pages, and other users are going to come in and change them, you cant go getting possessive because that will just ruin everything. --Womby
Sorry, I had a bad day and I guess I flipped a little (you're like: "A Little?" xD) It's just that I know that if we change this, then we'll need to change so many other pages, a la CAPS. That took so much time and effort to change. Like I said above, I could barely fit Distance and FINAL DISTANCE on the same page without it looking messy. I tried that with Hikari/Simple and Clean too, but I just stopped half way. I couldn't see any logical way of fitting it all together on one page. I don't think merging the 'traveling' and 'traveling (song)' pages is that great of an idea, because it'll be very messy, and it raises all sorts of questions later on. Do we merge 'Can You Keep a Secret' with it's song page, despite it having a B-side? What happens with double A-side singles? Things like this. Don't even try to think of it with triple or quadruple A-side singles; it'll just make your head hurt. I propose that singles with only one type of song, such as Traveling, should have their own song page as well to keep the order of things. It's already pretty complicated for me when making the single pages, because I have to stop and check if a page needs to drop the '(song)' or not (but that's not the issue anyway). By having a page for the single itself, as well as for the song on the single, everything keeps in order and you don't have to have little messes every so often. --Martzb00r

Group templates in concert pages

I'm going to remove the MM template from the Morning Musume Concert Tour 2005 Haru - Dai 6 kan Hit Mankai page temporarily when I add concert performances to songs. The reason for this is that if the template is there, then all the single pages will show that that concert links to it. I'm using The What links here for each single to see which concerts it was performed at, so if concerts link to every single via the template, then it makes it a bit harder. Is this okay?

I'll temporarily remove the templates from Ayaya's concerts when I get around to her songs. I'll re-add the templates when I finish with all of that group/person's singles. --Saa 09:46, 28 November 2005 (JST)

As long as it is just temporary, I guess it isn't a problem. --Pmsyyz 12:58, 28 November 2005 (JST)

Wa -come on-

Why'd tyou change the style of Wa -come on-? I mean, that style is a legitimate way to make song pages (I actually prefer it that way...you don't have to read through a whole paragraph to get the gist of it) It's just that all the other Lee Jung Hyun pages have this style, and it's best to stick to just one way. --Martzb00r 21:48, 11 December 2005 (JST)

Just the format I prefer. The track lists definately need to be ordered lists though. --Pmsyyz 15:55, 12 December 2005 (JST)
...they were o_O So, is it okey if I change it back for the continuity of things? --Martzb00r 19:28, 12 December 2005 (JST)
No they weren't. --Womby (yay its christmas season, anybody up for a bit of panto)

kana/kanji in page titles

What's with the Japanese redirects to Country Musume and Coconuts Musume? --Saa 14:08, 11 June 2006 (JST)

So I can highlight Japanese text and use a bookmarklet to load the page here. Very useful for artists' names in Japanese when a Japanese page lists several names but I haven't memorized the Kanji. I can just highlight the name and click my bookmarklet for this site. The redirect takes me to the right article. Might help with Google rank also. --Pmsyyz 09:16, 12 June 2006 (JST)
Not allowed.
  • This is still a wiki aimed at English speakers, so no one is going to be searching for information here by using kanji.
  • If they do search with kanji by using the search box (Search, not Go), those artists' pages show up fine, but the redirects you created do not.
  • Google Rank isn't important. If someone's searching Google with a kanji artist name, I doubt they want the information here.
  • Creating those redirects for what amounts to personal use only is not allowed.
Just learn the kanji. --Saa 00:03, 15 June 2006 (JST)
If a Sysop says to leave the pages deleted, please do so. If you have a problem with this, bring it up with Womby. ~ Wapiko 07:13, 17 June 2006 (JST)
Deletion approved by Womby. --Saa 13:19, 28 August 2006 (JST)

Talk Pages

Please don't edit what other people have said on talk pages. Even if it's mildly inaccurate or spelled incorrectly it's just rude and a waste of time. Any other page is fine. --zeli 13:53, 10 July 2006 (JST)

I disagree. --Pmsyyz 14:18, 10 July 2006 (JST)
You tend to do that a lot. --zeli 16:21, 10 July 2006 (JST)
I agree with Pmsyyz. It was just a few words for clarification purposes, no big deal. Pretty much all of the actual misspellings (which are minor) are left alone. --Saa 01:28, 11 July 2006 (JST)
In the past Wapiko and I have maintained that policy. --zeli 04:49, 11 July 2006 (JST)
Ah, just recently I edited Eimii's misspelling of the word "plagiarism" on my own talk page...but only because I'm slightly anal, and it was only a couple times in one edit ._.' ~ Wapiko 13:19, 11 July 2006 (JST)
All right, I just saw the edits he made to the talk page in question (my own) and I have to say I don't mind either way. Now, if he had deliberately reworded what somebody said, it'd be another issue, but he didn't. ~ Wapiko 13:22, 11 July 2006 (JST)
 :\ I didn't think there was any reason to reword except for wasting time and being anal retentive. I mean, nobody cares. But whatever. --zeli 06:53, 12 July 2006 (JST)
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