Talk:v-u-den

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Contents 1 Title of final single 2 Ninth single romanization 3 Proper romaji? 4 image thumbs 5 Template 6 More romaji clarification 7 Actual Information 8 10th single information source?

Title of final single

The title of their final single is "nanni mo iwazu ni I LOVE YOU". Anyone know why the words "I LOVE YOU" are crossed out in the single cover? Denadel 14:50, 27 May 2008 (JST)

I personally think it's just for design ^_^ --Hadji 14:57, 27 May 2008 (JST)

Yeah, same here. But before I looked at the image I thought it would be funny if v-u-den were all "I HAET U". ~ Wapiko 23:42, 27 May 2008 (JST)

I was thinking the same and couldnt figure it out. i dont know the lyrics so i didnt know if there was a hidden meaning or something. so probably just for design, then? Denadel 03:07, 30 May 2008 (JST)

Just had a closer look at a HQ scan, and the word is NOT crossed out. The line "crossing" out the word is a rainbow coming from a cloud (all though it looks kinda like a matchstick..) Denadel 03:46, 31 May 2008 (JST)

Ninth single romanization

I'll just ask about the proper romanization of their ninth single. You say it is Jaja Uma Paradise. But when I translated it on Google, it translated to Horse Paradise. What is really their ninth single's title? Anyway, let's just wait for the release. --Hadji

From the current title, じゃじゃ馬パラダイス, the correct Romanization would be "Jaja Uma Paradise." Google Translator does just that, translates the Japanese to English; Romanization is when you transliterate Japanese characters using the Latin alphabet, not a direct translation from Japanese to another. What you got was the English translation of the title: Jajauma means horse, what you got from Google, but also could mean shrew. [1] - Yumi 18:27, 27 August 2007 (JST)

It is just what Yumi says. e.g. じゃじゃ馬(unmanageable girl, spirited horse), 野次馬(onlooker, rout, rabble), ハネウマ(Haneuma). "Jajauma" is generally understood as a meaning of "unmanageable girl" in Japan. --walk 19:02, 27 August 2007 (JST)

Thanks for making this clear! Let's just wait for the official name of their ninth single. -- Hadji

Proper romaji?

Their 3rd single is sticking with v-u-den for the group name romaji. I'll move this article unless anyone has a good objection. --pmsyyz 08:05, 4 May 2005 (HKT)

The move has created a redirect anyway, so it shouldn't be a problem. --tiny 20:25, 5 May 2005 (HKT)

The official H!P site has viyuden as the romaji, it's in all their url. --Ruroshin 07:12, 6 May 2005 (HKT)

The directory may have been created before they decided on v-u-den on the second and third singles. Have you seen anything official come out in the last few months that has had anything by v-u-den? --pmsyyz 13:19, 6 May 2005 (HKT)

The correct romanisation of 美勇伝 is biyuuden. Tsunku however is free to spell it however he likes. -- ~Dan~ 050506, 19:27 GMT

biyuuden is just one system of romanisation, you can use others and get different result but yeah biyuuden would probably be the most accepted romanisation of 美勇伝. However we should try and be as "official" as we can to be consistent.

Here are some things to consider. English sites like cdjapan and yesasia list them as Biyuden. Official japanese sites like the H!P site and tsunku.net uses viyuden in their english url. I think either would be ok and we could just have redirects in the wiki for both entry. The piccolo town web page is currently down otherwise I would use whatever they're using. --Ruroshin 07:36, 7 May 2005 (HKT)

I suspect we should link the wiki details to what ever tsunku and up front decide, in this case the web sites and cd covers disagree at times like this perhaps we should follow the CD romanisation and redirect all the other pages in. --Womby

If it was up to me I would IP-ban everyone that uses v-u-den, even if that includes Tsunku. --DarkScorpion

image thumbs

Why did we change the way the images are displayed? the page looks a bit rough now, am I looking at a work in progress? --Womby

It looks like when you pile multiple codes for different images one line after another at the very top of the article/edit window (in this case 3), it messes up the individual "Edit" links on the default skin for each section in the article (groups a bunch of them down at the bottom, instead of being next to the Level 2 headlines). I would have used the DIV code you suggested a little while back on my Talk page which does the same thing nicely, but I believe there were discussions in another article about that not showing up correctly on one of the other skins, so I just spaced them out for a quick fix. --ilikejpop

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(The horribly off-topic remainder of this discussion is here.)

Image thumbs possible solution, Tested on the Matsuura Aya page.

<div class="thumb tright">
[[Image]]
[[Image]]
</div>

I assume you mean thumb right, as tright places the images in a row above the article instead of alongside it. That said, I don't think this solution will work. In Firefox it's bunching up the Edit links like when no DIVs are used. I see it on the Matsuura page and the v-u-den page. Maybe the simplified code/css/whatever needs tweaking? --ilikejpop 22:14, 30 August 2005 (JST)

Nope, defiantly tright, tomorrow I will go through the CSS files to see exactly what the difference is but it appears that tright only fails in firefox, it works in khtml, opera and ie (hah he said without testing). right does nothing to the block it gums up just as before, but tright flows perfectly, lets just find out where the final bug is perhaps it will be possible to edit the mediawiki code to make multiple images appear in a tright block rather than individually. --Womby

tright is an interesting name for a class. I assume it's short for top right. If it works eventually then cool with me. About IE, actually it's broken there too. lol. I opened the Aya page in IE to check after noticing how it looked in Firefox. In Opera 8 it works, but the text on the left of the images looks scrunched over. The Wiki update is great. I've been waiting for that Show Changes button. --ilikejpop 23:12, 30 August 2005 (JST)

i use seamonkey webbrowser ('new' remake of old mozilla (not firefox) browser), and the edit button is.. really wrong place. like 5-6cm too low, and not in line with any other edit button or anything. on the aya page it just displays the three thumbs to the left, and no text starts until after the three thumbs, leaving a quite blank page initially.. --Taurmindo (16:27 30/8 CEST)

The aya page doesn't look good now in Firefox and IE. First are the "thumbed" images at the right and then the rest of the article. If you look at the HTML source you'll see that it makes no sense to use <div class="thumb tright"> because that codes is automaticly added to every image with the "thumb" option set. Also, if you look at the CSS sheet as it now is (this one for example) you'll see that "float: right" is set by the class "div.tright". There is no use in setting it twice. Furthermore, if you read the CSS standard about floats you'll see that if "float" is used a "width" must be specified. The Wiki code does this by explicitly by inserting a <div style="width:182px;"> with every image. Why is this not integrated with the style sheet? Well, the width of the thumbnail picture is user configurable! (see Special:Preferences). So specifying a specific width for the floating div (like on the Ishikawa Rika page) is not usable because the section "edit" links will disappear under the thumbnail images if the user sets the thumbnail width to a high enough value in his preferences.

Note: you can bypass user configurable thumbnail widths by specifying a width for every thumbnail, see here for example.

The problem of all the "edit" links being below the last thumbed image is caused by two style imperatives: "clear: right" in the div.tright class and by the code that is inserted in the page by the wiki software if you have section edits enabled in your preferences: <div class="editsection" style="float:right;margin-left:5px;">. The effect of "clear: right" is that any right floated item that is next on the page is placed below the right cleared item. All thumbed images are right cleared because that's how it is defined in the stylesheet. On most pages the image thumbs are placed at the top of the page, above any "edit" links. The edit links are also right floated and therefore will be place below the thumbnail images. This problem can be solved by not right clearing the thumbnail images. You would have to add a line break (<br>) after every thumbnail image though, because otherwise the images would all appear on one line. But maybe this can be done in an other way.

I hope the problem of the section "edit" links not displayed correctly is somewhat clearer now. --tiny 05:15, 31 August 2005 (JST)

Yep, the reason for trying to use the tright class was because it was already specified in the code, the edit links all get goofed up because of multiple tright blocks causing the floated right elements to clear (which you noticed) the solution is to get all the images into a single block, we know this, the difficulty is in getting a right floated block that works properly at multiple sizes and in all the browsers :'(. Perhaps it is also time to submit this as a bug to the mediawiki project. --Womby

Look at what I did with the Matsuura Aya page. By adding "none" to the image properties no "floats" or "clears" are in effect. So to make the thumbs float I shoved them in a div with style float:right and clear:none. I couldn't find a class in the stylesheet that does float:right without doing clear:right, so I had to do it this way. Changing the thumb size in the preferences now works without breaking the "edit" links. Tested with Firefox and IE (latest versions on WinXP). --tiny 08:36, 31 August 2005 (JST)

I think this makes you the winner, a simple idea. --Womby

Template

I hope the template looks alright; now that I've registered I finally was able to try it. It looks rather bare right now but at the rate the group is releasing singles, it will be full in no time! I kept Magical Biyuuden under TV Shows but I didn't remove it from the Morning Musume template since I wasn't sure if it would still be considered MoMusu as well because of the involvement of some of the MoMusu girls in the show. I also used the v-u-den label for it since that's what the page name is. If anyone if this is wrong please let me know! ^^;; --Emeraldas 06:01, 8 Jun 2005 (JST)

More romaji clarification

Is their third single title "Ajisai" or "Ajosai?" I've seen it written everywhere else as "Ajisai" but someone changed it so I'm wondering if there are multiple ways of writing it.

WWWJDIC says: 紫陽花 【あじさい(gikun)】 (n) hydrangea and "あじさい" romanizes to "Ajisai" without doubt.

The full song title could be romanized as "Ajisai Eye Ai Monogatari" though.

Breakdown of the Kanji:

紫陽花 => Ajisai

アイ => ai, but this is Katakana, which usually means this is a foreign word. Excite translates it to "eye"

愛 => Ai

物語 => Monogatari

I'm not sure if this makes any sense...

--tiny 03:15, 31 August 2005 (JST)

Haha I posted that question a long time ago but it was changed minutes later; I'm guessing the person who changed it was just a vandal trying to be annoying. XD --Emeraldas 14:27, 31 August 2005 (JST)

Actual Information

I think its strange that most of this page goes towards explaining the romanisation of the name. Shouldn't there be like...actual information on the group? Also a lot of the data is time subjective. It says 'Biyuuden has three singles to date', whereas they're released four and a fifth coming. Shouldn't this information be less specific since it changes a lot, and people will forget to modify it? --Martzb00r

You are right, it's pretty stupid to say how many singles are out for any given artist, just list them beneath the article. Specially with H!P units that release stuff frequently. And I agree, there should be no discussion about Romanization, its Biyuuden and that's that. :P -- DarkScorpion 09:50, 27 February 2006 (JST)

LOL well there's not a whole lot of history behind them to include. I think the name section should be included but either shortened or moved down the page since it is one of the weirder romanization debates in H!P. --Emeraldas 04:37, 18 September 2005 (JST)

10th single information source?

Is there any source for what's on the page right now (Title: Amikusu, Release date: 3/26)? Because I've been looking all over and I haven't seen anything, which is leading me to believe it's false, but I figured I'd ask before I went to revert it. - Shiroihana 07:15, 27 January 2008 (JST)

Only place I've seen it is here but it doesn't list any source. I'll revert the article until something more official pops up. - Yumi 07:40, 27 January 2008 (JST)